The Osprey Chat Thread For March 2012

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The Osprey Chat Thread For March 2012

  • ChrisyB  You will love this link. particularly the two audios.

  • Thanks, Tiger, I've listened to them. They are calling the female green XS there, you say you have video proof that she is SX though.

    Bassenthwaite have been waiting for all these years for more pairs to nest, perhaps this will be the year! Hope so !

  • Yes indeed Chrissy, I hope so too! I still say green XS in my head even though I know it is SX.

  • ChrisyB

    Thanks, Tiger, I've listened to them. They are calling the female green XS there, you say you have video proof that she is SX though.

    Bassenthwaite have been waiting for all these years for more pairs to nest, perhaps this will be the year! Hope so !

     

    Well what about green 5S?   I thought she was nesting in Norway. See Cumbrian Osprey spotted in Norway.

  • Yes, that was a good sighting, and photo, but I have not heard that she has actualy been seen with a nest or has been seen in later years.  Great if she has though.

    Maybe our YW of 2008 seen in a nearby  - well 40/50 miles away from Bass - reserve will be back and nest locally.

    It is getting exiting now, as other people have said, waiting to see the ospreys return. Not long now.

  • ChloeB

    Yes indeed Chrissy, I hope so too! I still say green XS in my head even though I know it is SX.

    I played that DVD recently and intended to take a screen grab but probably have not done so. Still it is definitely SX. I cannot imagine the error went on for so long and would probably still be going on had we not asked!

     

    See  Question about Mrs XS

    and Lake Bassenthwaite Ospreys    and    here

  • Hi - should not still be up - but Tiger's mention of a dvd reminded me I have the Bass one so I just looked and took a photo of tv screen, very poor resolution from the nest cam but can just make out the ring as SX .

  • Here is the the "Big Pull"  at Dyfi on 1st March 2012

  • Tiger

    patily

    I was gutted to read that no LG youngsters have returned in 10 years let us hope that Rothes breaks THAT record this year and makes it all the way to Scotland safely, along with our dear EJ and Odin

    Remember that as long as two come back Odin and EJ will have reproduced themselves. If they all came back we would  soon have wall to wall ospreys. Indeed that is one of the reasons the Rutland translocation could happen. Too many birds were competing for too few nesting places.

    Also it is possible that Henry's chicks from 2004  (yellow 27, 29, 28) or  2006 (yellow 8U, 8V, 8w) are out there somewhere.

     

    Hello I am reading with great interest. I am sure one of Yellow 27, 28, 29, 8U, 8V and 8W are out there - the statistics point that one of them will have survived.  Finding them - yes if we stumble on them - females could be in Perthshiure or Borders as they do not necessarily return to their place of birth. We may see the same of Rothes depending on Sex ID.

    My thoughts all the years I have watched Ospreys is as Tigers if a pair of Ospreys reproduce themselve then that is a success and if my maths is correct we should have stable numbers.

     I have also have had many thoughts on SATURATION POINT over the years especially in my area of Scotland - At present the Ospreys within Speyside are very competitive unlike Ospreys I have studied in USA and do not tolerate neighbours very well. If all the Ospreys did return we could have a vast over population disaster - with the numbers we have already it is difficult for a family to raise three strong chicks.

    Roy does put a figure on SATURATION POINT in Scotland which is much higher than at present although his numbers are if the bird naturally colonises elsewhere. The area to the west around Fort William does not have the Osprey population - Why - we have the forrests to nest in and similar fishing opportunities. Another interesting topic. Maybe because that area is not ON ROUTE and if and I know  solitary birds go there it is more difficult to find a mate.

    Any thoughts of ta ranslocation programme to the North West of Scotland (We have them naturalising from Argylle Southwards) - I have had an interest in this topic as the bird has not attempted natural colonistaion here. My negative here maybe the migration starting off at too westerly a poit which may see disasters over the Irish sea and out to the Atlantic.

    I know of the nests local to my home and they are very competitive of one another and recently are all converging on particular fish farms.

    The lack of nests is another problem - That is why we build man made nests to assist with mating pairs - I think returning Ospreys and pairing for the first time find it difficult to build a nest from scratch and successfully breed in the first year in the time scales they have based on the latest we can have a successful laid egg. A new mate from an established nest appears to be the normal to replace a non returner - again here we have stable numbers.

    I watch Opsprey nest beside nest in FL USA but ther the food supply chain is no problem - a particular golf course I play has a nest on each fairway and successfully raise families.

    PLease I am very interested in your many thoughts regarding these ideas and topics I have and may be wrong but then collectively we all come to some conclusions. I look forward to some feedback.

    Thank You and a most interesting read today and hope you do not mind me posting here as an Intruder.

  • Thanks for the news clip Tiger, (love the cat lol)

    Great news from Dyfi

  • Keith Rogers

     

    Hello I am reading with great interest. I am sure one of Yellow 27, 28, 29, 8U, 8V and 8W are out there - the statistics point that one of them will have survived.  Finding them - yes if we stumble on them - females could be in Perthshiure or Borders as they do not necessarily return to their place of birth. We may see the same of Rothes depending on Sex ID.

    My thoughts all the years I have watched Ospreys is as Tigers if a pair of Ospreys reproduce themselve then that is a success and if my maths is correct we should have stable numbers.

     I have also have had many thoughts on SATURATION POINT over the years especially in my area of Scotland - At present the Ospreys within Speyside are very competitive unlike Ospreys I have studied in USA and do not tolerate neighbours very well. If all the Ospreys did return we could have a vast over population disaster - with the numbers we have already it is difficult for a family to raise three strong chicks.

    Roy does put a figure on SATURATION POINT in Scotland which is much higher than at present although his numbers are if the bird naturally colonises elsewhere. The area to the west around Fort William does not have the Osprey population - Why - we have the forrests to nest in and similar fishing opportunities. Another interesting topic. Maybe because that area is not ON ROUTE and if and I know  solitary birds go there it is more difficult to find a mate.

    Any thoughts of ta ranslocation programme to the North West of Scotland (We have them naturalising from Argylle Southwards) - I have had an interest in this topic as the bird has not attempted natural colonistaion here. My negative here maybe the migration starting off at too westerly a poit which may see disasters over the Irish sea and out to the Atlantic.

    I know of the nests local to my home and they are very competitive of one another and recently are all converging on particular fish farms.

    The lack of nests is another problem - That is why we build man made nests to assist with mating pairs - I think returning Ospreys and pairing for the first time find it difficult to build a nest from scratch and successfully breed in the first year in the time scales they have based on the latest we can have a successful laid egg. A new mate from an established nest appears to be the normal to replace a non returner - again here we have stable numbers.

    I watch Opsprey nest beside nest in FL USA but ther the food supply chain is no problem - a particular golf course I play has a nest on each fairway and successfully raise families.

    PLease I am very interested in your many thoughts regarding these ideas and topics I have and may be wrong but then collectively we all come to some conclusions. I look forward to some feedback.

    Thank You and a most interesting read today and hope you do not mind me posting here as an Intruder.

     

    That has to be one  of the most fascinating posts ever made on the Loch Garten Group. Mind you there are so many issues it is hard to know where to begin.

    As you know there was big excitement back on 5th April 2011 when it looked as if Baldrick (Yellow 28) had turned up. Then it turned to confusion as it emerged that there was possibly two birds with the same ring. Also our new Baldrick" got evicted from his nest ut is presumably out there somewhere.

    I am aware that the American ospreys are of a different variety to the European one. I am endless fascinated by the fate of the four American ospreys that  Captain C W R Knight translocated to Scotland in 1929. Who knows their descendant may be out there somewhere?

    Of course more and more people believe that it is possible that the ospreys were never extinct in the first place. This is explored in the wonderful Radio 4 programme The Bird Boys from 2004 to celebrate 50 years of the return of ospreys to Scotland.

    It is worth reading this link from 1999 where it discusses why translocations were begun in the UK. There have also been translocations in the USA. I do believe that Minnesota, Ohio, Iowa and Wisconsin have all had translocation (called hacking in the USA) project. There is also the one in Andalucia in Spain.

    With regard to the way ospreys cluster in America, isn't one of the nests followed here on a fairly small island which has 32 nests. I have read of colonies of 800 ospreys up New England way.

    Do not mind the intruding. You are most welcome!  :) :)

     

  • Thanks for the great news clip.

    Now  your cat is known around the world too LOL

  • When I came to this thread I was actually going to to report that there are fears that there are signs of another oubreak of "Ospreytitus". This seems to becoming an annual event. It seems that this is an incurable affliction but although it has huge negative effects on people's lives the victim report a sense of extreme well being.

    Worst of all the pharmacuetical companies have expressed no interest trying to produce a medicine for this ailment as they argue that victims would not take the treatment. In fact relief usually comes in August/September when the ospreys fly south. However with the introduction of tracking programmes and more recently osprey tourism to west Africa and Florida this affliction is threatening to become chronic.  How long before the birds of western Mexico get drawn in?

  • Good morning all. I have a Q? and not sure where to post it.

    Do Osprey's fly at night and do they make a calling sound as they fly?? When I was in bed at 10:15 lastnight, I heard a bird calling as it was flying over my house, it was heading North and I am in S Wales. It wasn't a call of any local bird, IE: Blackbird or Crow and it didn't sound like a small bird.

    Thanks.

  • Yes Ospreys will fly at night not preferentially but especially on migration will cross expanses of water overnight such as Bay of Biscay - Channel - Mediterranean atc.

    Our migration records are full of this happening.

    The call of the Osprey is unique - I know an Osprey before I see it by its call - RSPB site has sounds of birds to listen to.

    Sandra you are on a migration path and quite likely you may see Ospreys pass by.