Mary GK Well I do not think I saw that live. Remember we had the amazing excitement of Sunday 5th June 2011 when Einion hatched. Lunch got postponed as long as possible. After a late lunch Chloe and I came back to the Dyfi visitors centre and waited to see if Monty would bring in a fish.
In fact a number of people said that Monty was not anywhere as good as 11 (98) at Glaslyn as he would have a fish ready and waiting for the new arrival.
Well we hung on as long as we could but had to to leave round 6 pm with Monty still not having brought in a fish. I am led to believe it was quite late when he brought the first meal and then as has been well documented Nora did not really know how to feed the newly hatched chick. Still she did with a bit of practice.
Here is Nora trying to feed the chicks.
As we all know Monty is a great fishrman!
I guess we could have a fish off between him and 11 (98)
There is a video of Nora practicing a feed but I am not sure where it is.
ChloeB and Tiger's data site ? Link to the Important Loch Garten Links
Tiger ~ Thank You for bringing it all back to me, I remember that now when Nora was practising feeding at the edge of the nest into thin air, and that Monty wasnt so good at bringing the fish in at the beginning..... but bless them they weren't long until they got the hang of it, and looked what they produced 3 fine and healthy Ospreys.
PS: Nite Nite all, off to bed....
Rothiemurchus Red 8T
I loved the sole, my intended 'baited' pales into insignificance beside it, but at least I tried Scylla. Thx for noticing. I think Keith's witnesses are either reluctant in coming forward or need a lot of coaching. After being told to watch this space they are noticeable by their absence.
While the forum members are 'on a roll' in proving that a myth, with no scientific evidence, is in fact true, but they are the first 'genuine obervers' of this - can I introduce another 'bete noir' of mine?
Tiger - I don't think this is probably the right thread for my question - please feel free to tell me where I should post it............. what are the member's views as to whether an adult osprey 'teaches' its offspring to fish? Not an EJ question I know.
CRinger While the forum members are 'on a roll' in proving that a myth, with no scientific evidence, is in fact true, but they are the first 'genuine obervers' of this - can I introduce another 'bete noir' of mine? Tiger - I don't think this is probably the right thread for my question - please feel free to tell me where I should post it............. what are the member's views as to whether an adult osprey 'teaches' its offspring to fish? Not an EJ question I know.
I dare say that the Q&A thread would be good.
CRinger: It's utter nonsense whatever thread it's on!
Now, we have been through this many times before. At first I thought fishing might be partly innate and partly copied/learned behaviour but very quickly changed my mind to totally innate.
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My Leanered friend C RINGER QC
May I first post that the trial "Was Unfair" and in my absence have lodged this at the great court of session of Ospreys.
It was arranged at a particular time in the interest of the defence just after her grande arrival therefore gaining support from her followers. What a cunning trick my learnered friend.
Double Jeopardy is not a defence in this wonderful country of Scotland so a retrial is not out of the qusetion and I am gathering support - not being absent.
At this time the prosecution do not want to put distress on your client at this particular time and that is an honourable thing from the prosecution.
However questions are going to be asked of your client and will be made public whether in court or by post releases in The osprey Sun and I hope Odin is not reading.
As I have said Red 8T will give up his his sole for a trout or two.
Thanks Tiger - it has been done.
Sandy - A Mr. Meinertzhagan who published a paper entitled 'The education of young Ospreys' in no less a journal than Ibis would I think, if he is still alive, disagree with you. I am interested in all views. I am not saying I disagree with yours, which is contrary to the published material I have read, just interested to pick the brains of other people that like to watch, and whether they know it or not, study these amazing birds.
C RINGER QC - Not Proven does not make some one Innocenct.
Many high profile cases have ended up in Aquittal or Not proven due to public euphoria because the celebrity is a hero.
Mary GK Tiger ~ Thank You for bringing it all back to me, I remember that now when Nora was practising feeding at the edge of the nest into thin air, and that Monty wasnt so good at bringing the fish in at the beginning..... but bless them they weren't long until they got the hang of it, and looked what they produced 3 fine and healthy Ospreys. PS: Nite Nite all, off to bed....
That scene had me in tears it was so sweet she went to the edge of the nest and you could see her going through the motions of feeding.
A very old Shropshire Lad.
Can anyone find the video of Nora practicing feeding?
C Ringer May I adjourn and comment
I watched young ospreys every day that the nest overlooks a fishery (Lochter) and wrote down an account of everything that occured.
Likewise I watched ospreys that do not overlook a fishery as a comparrison and have a very good write up on both habits.
Are you interested.
At Lochter Fishery the nest overhangs the fishing pools.
Late on the season after fledging the male refused to feed despite calling and the two young joined him in the centre of the pool.
He hovered and dived then retreated and hovered and let his young copy him - Is that not teaching.
He reapeated this night after night until one night I saw one of the young catch a trout whilst he hovered above.
Better late than never Keith, welcome, these wonderful forum members have kept me company 'watching this space' until your arrival.
Your posts will be given full consideration and added to the other material that has aready gathered for the possible libel action. We will reply in due course.