EJ

Greetings to all and in particular to my new friend Keith. I am waiting with baited breath to hear more of the 'stories.' Having firstly kicked into touch your statement that Olive was evicted in 2003 and secondly your insinuation that EJ may have had something to do with this fictitious event, when there is no evidence they ever met (my client and I have been discussing possible libel proceedings btw), I suspect that any jury would look long and hard at any evidence you present before they throw it out.

I adored the selling of the sole. Brilliant stuff.  

I think the "Not Proven" verdict would be appropriate Cringer, this applies in Scottish Courts of Law!     This is all very interesting and the banter is hilarious. 

I am not sure others will agree Mary - there are those who thought that she should never have been 'charged' in the first place. Personally, I think that the Procurator Fiscal would have thrown it out, before it got to any jury, but if he didn't. then I personally agree - not proven may be the most appropriate conclusion.

Yes I think this is a good "verdict" Cringer, this should surely keep all sides happy, LOL.... for me I would never believe that EJ could do any wrong LOL....  

While my friend Keith is away attemping to bribe witnesses, perhaps I can add a 'serious' note....... and expand a little on what I said about 'if things aren't challeneged then eventually they are accepted as fact.' I will give an example if I may. About 10 years ago I read a book about ospreys and it said that the male osprey may occasionally brood the chicks. I had not heard or witnessed this behaviour before so was interested where the information came from. Like all good books they had 'referenced' their source - another book. So eventually I got the source book from the library and read it avidly. The author, like the previous book, gave a reference - yet another book. I asked for that from the library and eventually it came. The authors again have their source as another book. So that's 3 books written telling you that male ospreys sometimes brood their chicks. Eventually, 5 books later I got what I wanted - an impeccable source - only BWP - Cramp and Simmons (1980). They then gave as their source a paper written by Garber and Koplin in 1972 - so - I got the paper. Unfortunately, when I read it the original paper mentioned NOTHING about a male osprey brooding chicks - it said the male osprey shared incubation duties with the female - the first reported case in the carolinensis sub-species - but nothing about brooding. So, someone got muddled up, as a result of which 'the Bible' BWP reported that male ospreys occasionally brood their young and this myth was then repeated in at least 5 books that I read. Even though BWP had been published 15 years before I found all this out I did write to them suggesting that they might want to amend future editions. What appears to have been a myth (if anyone knows of male ospreys brooding chicks please let me know) became a 'fact' that was repeated in at least 5 books that I read, all due to 1 misunderstanding.

I think EJ is a special bird who needs no misunderstanding, so bring it on Keith.  

Cringer I take it "Your Rest Your Case!" BANG goes the gavel! LOL

Monty actually brooded the hatching chicks briefly last year. Can that be counted? We watched that on screen in the VC and were mesmerised and astounded! :)

Didn't Monty brood the chicks at Dyfi last year?

Yes, snap Tiger :))

You heard the gavel from there Mary? Yikes - I will do it quieter next time. People are sleeping.

Then I believe, thanks to the forum and the webcam we do have a first. I am happy to accept that evidence. As far as I am aware no paper has been published saying that this has been witnessed before. Even more reason to celebrate the forum and the web-cam watchers. I think BQP should now cite the Forum in its next edition and keep the male brooding - even if only brief - in there!

CRinger

You heard the gavel from there Mary? Yikes - I will do it quieter next time. People are sleeping.

LOL.....  you woke me up I was just nodding off and ready to go to bed....  wink!!!

Chloe/Tiger ~ I can just imagine the look on both your faces when you saw Monty do that, wasn't that the first time they paired and bred and Monty did some unusual things at first didnt he, I am trying to recall as I only started watching last year.

Yes it was their first year Mary. Don't know whether he ever did it again. Must ask.

Monty looked absolutely besotted :)

I thought in the first few weeks they looked inexperienced but Nora wasnt long in getting the hang of it all and she made a fine Mother, and Monty was the perfect provider.  

CRinger

I am waiting with baited breath...

I adored the selling of the sole. 

I can't decide if the first bold is in honour of the second, or an inadvertent spello ;-D

As for your quest for the provenance of "male ospreys sometime brood chicks", CRinger - cor!  (I said you were forensic and it's true!)  Then we find out that the behaviour has been seen - what a source this forum is!  All the more galling that the Management disdain its members so.