the anglers anger

I want to make people aware that anglers want to be able to shoot cormorants at will, even if they are just flying or sitting near by. They want a law past so they can do this and I strongly disagree. I would like to start a protect the cormorant society from anglers as they are just living their lives as they should. Anglers as a collective havent a leg to stand on. They may have these fish filled ponds created which serve birds well but they them selves are the cause of many birds deaths. They catch fish for fun and are hating on cormorants (just cormorants) for over fishing their lakes. Well I say this is wrong. Cormorants are more native than anglers and fish to survive not for sport, how can that be a sport, if it is its a blood sport. But why hate the cormorant because it can fish better than them, they should save the thousands they spend each year and do something worth while with it, not harm innocent fish and birds. This subject makes me angry as I love seeing the cormorants where I live in shoreham west sussex, they spend most their time just sitting high up on light towers down the harbour or on old bits of wood down wide water lagoon. Its nice to see they have young juveniles with them this year, white bellied and all. I would hate to see them become endangered because of some grumpy, jealous ill temepered fishermen. I hope to see them in the future and I would like others to witness them as they are beautiful to see at rest, either with wings out drying or head tucked in. Their bumbling flight pattern is amazing to follow as they look so cumbersome in flight. I would like to think their are others out there who agree with me and i would like to hear your opinions.

The matter has already been discussed at some length in these forums.

http://www.rspb.org.uk/community/wildlife/f/3070/t/81284.aspx

www.rspb.org.uk/.../439877.aspx

Have a look at this BLOG

I think that many contributors to this forum are painfully aware of what some anglers would like to do about the natural colonisation by Cormorants, but thanks for highlighting the matter again cormo.

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cormo

I want to make people aware that anglers want to be able to shoot cormorants at will, even if they are just flying or sitting near by. They want a law past so they can do this and I strongly disagree. I would like to start a protect the cormorant society from anglers as they are just living their lives as they should. Anglers as a collective havent a leg to stand on. They may have these fish filled ponds created which serve birds well but they them selves are the cause of many birds deaths. They catch fish for fun and are hating on cormorants (just cormorants) for over fishing their lakes. Well I say this is wrong. Cormorants are more native than anglers and fish to survive not for sport, how can that be a sport, if it is its a blood sport. But why hate the cormorant because it can fish better than them, they should save the thousands they spend each year and do something worth while with it, not harm innocent fish and birds. This subject makes me angry as I love seeing the cormorants where I live in shoreham west sussex, they spend most their time just sitting high up on light towers down the harbour or on old bits of wood down wide water lagoon. Its nice to see they have young juveniles with them this year, white bellied and all. I would hate to see them become endangered because of some grumpy, jealous ill temepered fishermen. I hope to see them in the future and I would like others to witness them as they are beautiful to see at rest, either with wings out drying or head tucked in. Their bumbling flight pattern is amazing to follow as they look so cumbersome in flight. I would like to think their are others out there who agree with me and i would like to hear your opinions.

I think you need to perhaps consider that not all anglers want to randomly shoot Cormorants at will. You're blatently tarring all anglers with the same brush and I find that, as an angler, a little offensive. Just remember many angling clubs work tirelessly to create habitat for all wildlife and being part of nature is a large part of that. My own club has won awards from various wildlife trusts for our work in maintaining our particular piece of river.

Cormorants can and do affect in-land fisheries, however there are steps that can be taken to minimise this without resorting to culling. I suggest you think again about your illconsidered and overly emotional approach to this issue.

Im so sorry ive only just heard about the way anglers ( sorry some anglers) want to treat birds. I wasnt accusing all anglers just making a generalisation. so stop pick holes in things people say.I think its harsh to kill anything thats done nothing wrong.

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cormo

So what if youve won awards, awards mean squat. so you care about animals being part of the rspb, but you fish, is being a member just to give you a little piece of mind that your making amends for fishing or you just trying to annoy people. If people didnt destroy the land we wouldnt need to build habitats and fisheries only breed fish for the same reasons cows, pigs and lambs are bred, for food or sport as you would so rightly put it

Isn't this just getting a little personal ? not really in the spirit of the forum.

Seaman

cormo

So what if youve won awards, awards mean squat. so you care about animals being part of the rspb, but you fish, is being a member just to give you a little piece of mind that your making amends for fishing or you just trying to annoy people. If people didnt destroy the land we wouldnt need to build habitats and fisheries only breed fish for the same reasons cows, pigs and lambs are bred, for food or sport as you would so rightly put it

Isn't this just getting a little personal ? not really in the spirit of the forum.

Indeed.

I fear from the tone and level of the last response a sensible discussion is impossible in this case so I'll leave it there.

spirit of the forum haha. forums are a place to voice opinions. Im not saying all anglers are evil murderes, but what gives people the right to kill what they want, you kill a person you pay the price, humans as a race have decided they are god, they make the choices of what lives and what doesnt, what gives us that right.

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RSPB Mods

its not my fault if people read things in the wrong way, this is how i write, there is no expression in text they mearly read it how they want to precieve it.

how do i delete my account cos i havent time for people who likie to make mountains out of mole hills to put it politley

Well I for one cannot understand how cormo is allowed to use abuse on here,others have been removed for similar offences.Must be because he is defending cormorants being killed.

Sooty

Well I for one cannot understand how cormo is allowed to use abuse on here,others have been removed for similar offences.Must be because he is defending cormorants being killed.

Final word on this. If anyone can find anything from me defending Cormorants being killed then please point it out to me and I'll remove it. What I objected to was comments being made against all anglers which is clearly ill conceived and badly worded. My point was many anglers, like myself have a passion for wildlife, put lots of hard work into maintaining habitat and don't condone culling of any sort.

Cormo is clearly very emotional about this and is unable to see beyond anything other than their blinkered view on the subject. Hopefully in time they'll understand.